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04-27-2007, 04:30 PM
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Big Tony
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TheKansan's Guide to Losing Fat and doing it Cheap.
I am cheap. It is both a curse and a gift. I have argued over being overcharged a nickel before. I don't like to spend money on anything. For this reason I decided that I would give a small bit of advice to you. There are people out there who think that lower income people are too poor to live healthy. Well I am lower income, and I know that this is wrong. It does mean that we have to do things differently, but it doesn't mean that we can't live healthy lives.
The first thing that I want to discuss is cardio exercise. It is one of the most important parts of living healthy, but some people think they need special euipment, gym memberships, special clothing, etc. in order to get the cardio they need. That is a bunch of crap. When I decided I wanted to lose the fat I have, at first I had the same thoughts. Then I looked out my living room window and realized that there was something outside. It was called a sidewalk. Believe it or not, people walk on these things all the time. There is no membership fee, hell you don't even need shoes. Now I know what you are thinking, only poor people walk anywhere. Well guess what? I am poor. I don't need any jogging pants, headband, heartrate monitor, pedometer, or anything except my legs (and pants, people really frown on you not wearing pants).
The other really important thing that is needed is resistance training. Now some people would say that there is no way to do resistance training for cheap. They need their expensive weight bench, ab-lounger, gym membership, etc. I say don't waste your money on all that junk. For 3 months I didn't even have the most basic weightlifting equipment, but I still did resistance training almost every day. I was sore and sweating after I was done each day, so I know it was a decent workout. What did I do? Body weight exercises. Hell I still do them even though now I have some weights. No money is required to do prisoner squats, lunges, push ups, sit ups, crunches, chair dips, leg lifts, step-ups, plank, etc. No you won't gain massive amounts of muscle with these things, but you are losing fat right now and the focus should be on maintaining muscle.
So now you are wondering what about your diet? Can you eat healthy cheaply? I say yes you can. Go to almost any grocery store and ask someone who works there what the cheapest meat available is. Almost always it will be chicken. Guess what, chicken is the poor man's steak, you will love it, and you will eat it often. Don't waste your money buying those expensive boneless skinless chicken breasts, buy it with the skin and the bones, then remove the skin yourself. What else? Tuna, it is super cheap, and high in protein, not to mention low in calories. What about vegetarians? Beans. Big bags of beans are cheap. So is rice. Brown rice sometimes costs more than white rice, so I would suggest buying the white if you are cheap. Even if it is stripped of the nutrients, it is still a healthy food. Oh and potatoes. Buy a big bag of potatoes. The reasoning behind all of the items I listed is because they are general ingredients in about 1000 different recipes. Don't tell me you get bored with your diet eating beans, rice, chicken, and potatoes when there are a million things you can do with these things. From making hash browns, chili, chicken salad, red beans and rice etc, you should only get bored if you lack imagination.
What about vegetables and fruit? People claim they can't afford these things. Let me just say that it will be a lot cheaper if you purchase frozen or canned vegetables and fruits rather than the fresh stuff. Frozen vegetables are more expensive than canned, so I reccommend canned to poor people such as myself over frozen. Yes I know canned vegetables are high is sodium, but I see it this way. Is it better to eat no vegetables, or vegetables high in sodium? I'm leaning toward veggies high in sodium. Besides many canned vegetables have no salt now, and you can drink more water if you wish to lower the amount of sodium in your system. Which leads me to my next point.
Gatorade, Powerade, Crystal Light, energy drinks, etc. have absolutely nothing on water. Water is the absolute cheapest and best beverage for losing fat. By the way, I don't mean bottled water, I mean straight from the tap. You don't like water? Thats too bad, you are too poor to be wasting money on bottled beverages. I have been drinking solely water for months on end and I have found food to taste better overall. See an added bonus.
So let's rehash what I wrote in the above thread
1. Go outside and walk
2. Bodyweight exercises
3. beans, rice, chicken, tuna, potatoes
4. canned and frozen vegetables
5. Tap Water
Other good things you can do are always look for good deals on food. For example I was at a local grocery store and saw they had all the steaks that were about to expire marked down 50% off. Remember you can throw a steak in the freezer and keep it indefinately. Same with some fruits and vegetables. Also coupons are a great way to save if you have the patience. Don't eat out often. I know that eating out is a social activity that we all need, but it will always cost more to eat out than to cook at home. Even that 99 cent double cheeseburger at McDonalds costs more than my dinner tonight of chicken, rice and frozen broccolli.
The most important thing though is making a commitment. None of the advice I gave here will do anyone any good if you don't decide to really commit to living healthier. Even the poorest of us can live healthy, after all there aren't too many obese people in poor countries.
The first thing that I want to discuss is cardio exercise. It is one of the most important parts of living healthy, but some people think they need special euipment, gym memberships, special clothing, etc. in order to get the cardio they need. That is a bunch of crap. When I decided I wanted to lose the fat I have, at first I had the same thoughts. Then I looked out my living room window and realized that there was something outside. It was called a sidewalk. Believe it or not, people walk on these things all the time. There is no membership fee, hell you don't even need shoes. Now I know what you are thinking, only poor people walk anywhere. Well guess what? I am poor. I don't need any jogging pants, headband, heartrate monitor, pedometer, or anything except my legs (and pants, people really frown on you not wearing pants).
The other really important thing that is needed is resistance training. Now some people would say that there is no way to do resistance training for cheap. They need their expensive weight bench, ab-lounger, gym membership, etc. I say don't waste your money on all that junk. For 3 months I didn't even have the most basic weightlifting equipment, but I still did resistance training almost every day. I was sore and sweating after I was done each day, so I know it was a decent workout. What did I do? Body weight exercises. Hell I still do them even though now I have some weights. No money is required to do prisoner squats, lunges, push ups, sit ups, crunches, chair dips, leg lifts, step-ups, plank, etc. No you won't gain massive amounts of muscle with these things, but you are losing fat right now and the focus should be on maintaining muscle.
So now you are wondering what about your diet? Can you eat healthy cheaply? I say yes you can. Go to almost any grocery store and ask someone who works there what the cheapest meat available is. Almost always it will be chicken. Guess what, chicken is the poor man's steak, you will love it, and you will eat it often. Don't waste your money buying those expensive boneless skinless chicken breasts, buy it with the skin and the bones, then remove the skin yourself. What else? Tuna, it is super cheap, and high in protein, not to mention low in calories. What about vegetarians? Beans. Big bags of beans are cheap. So is rice. Brown rice sometimes costs more than white rice, so I would suggest buying the white if you are cheap. Even if it is stripped of the nutrients, it is still a healthy food. Oh and potatoes. Buy a big bag of potatoes. The reasoning behind all of the items I listed is because they are general ingredients in about 1000 different recipes. Don't tell me you get bored with your diet eating beans, rice, chicken, and potatoes when there are a million things you can do with these things. From making hash browns, chili, chicken salad, red beans and rice etc, you should only get bored if you lack imagination.
What about vegetables and fruit? People claim they can't afford these things. Let me just say that it will be a lot cheaper if you purchase frozen or canned vegetables and fruits rather than the fresh stuff. Frozen vegetables are more expensive than canned, so I reccommend canned to poor people such as myself over frozen. Yes I know canned vegetables are high is sodium, but I see it this way. Is it better to eat no vegetables, or vegetables high in sodium? I'm leaning toward veggies high in sodium. Besides many canned vegetables have no salt now, and you can drink more water if you wish to lower the amount of sodium in your system. Which leads me to my next point.
Gatorade, Powerade, Crystal Light, energy drinks, etc. have absolutely nothing on water. Water is the absolute cheapest and best beverage for losing fat. By the way, I don't mean bottled water, I mean straight from the tap. You don't like water? Thats too bad, you are too poor to be wasting money on bottled beverages. I have been drinking solely water for months on end and I have found food to taste better overall. See an added bonus.
So let's rehash what I wrote in the above thread
1. Go outside and walk
2. Bodyweight exercises
3. beans, rice, chicken, tuna, potatoes
4. canned and frozen vegetables
5. Tap Water
Other good things you can do are always look for good deals on food. For example I was at a local grocery store and saw they had all the steaks that were about to expire marked down 50% off. Remember you can throw a steak in the freezer and keep it indefinately. Same with some fruits and vegetables. Also coupons are a great way to save if you have the patience. Don't eat out often. I know that eating out is a social activity that we all need, but it will always cost more to eat out than to cook at home. Even that 99 cent double cheeseburger at McDonalds costs more than my dinner tonight of chicken, rice and frozen broccolli.
The most important thing though is making a commitment. None of the advice I gave here will do anyone any good if you don't decide to really commit to living healthier. Even the poorest of us can live healthy, after all there aren't too many obese people in poor countries.
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Starting Weight: 360lbs @ 5/1/07
--------------------------------------------
Weekly Weigh In
5.08.07 : 355.2 6.19.07 : ? 8.01.07 : ?
5.15.07 : ? 6.26.07 : ?
5.22.07 : ? 7.03.07 : ?
5.29.07 : ? 7.10.07 : ?
6.05.07 : ? 7.17.07 : ?
6.12.07 : ? 7.24.07 : ?
Total Weight Lost: 4.8 pounds
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04-27-2007, 04:52 PM
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Body weight exercises dont help u gain muscles or maintaining it,u'll find urself doing higher reps and ur gains will start to halt,nothing beats free weights.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
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04-27-2007, 04:53 PM
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luv the attitude.
its actually a misnomer it costs too much to eat healthy.
its actually more expensive to continuously eat out.
i have saved considerable amounts of money going to sams and acme than when i would continuously run out to the wawa for sandwhiches and such.
its actually a misnomer it costs too much to eat healthy.
its actually more expensive to continuously eat out.
i have saved considerable amounts of money going to sams and acme than when i would continuously run out to the wawa for sandwhiches and such.
04-27-2007, 05:00 PM
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Hey Kansan...I think I found your nickel in a parking lot today. If you tell me what year it is I will send it to you.
Nice start on your journal!
Nice start on your journal!
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04-27-2007, 05:17 PM
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no. bodyweight exercises are excellent - by playign with leverages and working different progressions you can keep increasing resistance to keep getting benefit. IM not saying dont do freeweights, but dont rule out bodyweight either. Use every tool available to you as each has its merits and benefits
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04-27-2007, 05:50 PM
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Body weight exercises dont help u gain muscles or maintaining it,u'll find urself doing higher reps and ur gains will start to halt,nothing beats free weights.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
All kidding aside, though, bodyweight is ok to start out, but after a few weeks Kaaud is right, you need to increase resistance.
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04-28-2007, 02:30 PM
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Body weight exercises dont help u gain muscles or maintaining it,u'll find urself doing higher reps and ur gains will start to halt,nothing beats free weights.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
And I think most people her are reading ur thread using P4 computers with Broadband connection.
As for nobody here having anything below a P4 look at my attachment.
It is a 433 mhz emachine circa 1998-1999. It is running linux (a free alternative operating system to MS Windows)
Attached ImagesTheKansanscomputer.jpg (Related) (8.0 KB, 92 views)
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TheKansan Will Be The Biggest Loser!!!!
Starting Weight: 360lbs @ 5/1/07
--------------------------------------------
Weekly Weigh In
5.08.07 : 355.2 6.19.07 : ? 8.01.07 : ?
5.15.07 : ? 6.26.07 : ?
5.22.07 : ? 7.03.07 : ?
5.29.07 : ? 7.10.07 : ?
6.05.07 : ? 7.17.07 : ?
6.12.07 : ? 7.24.07 : ?
Total Weight Lost: 4.8 pounds
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2293701
04-28-2007, 02:42 PM
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I went down to the local YMCA today to check out the weight room and inquire about the pricing. Now I knew that getting a gym membership wouldn't be cheap, but the YMCA is freaking nuts if they think that I will pay $55 a month plus $125 membership fee for the crappy little weight room that they had. They didn't even have a smith machine!!!! Funny they had every known piece of cardio equipment, but their weight room was tiny, and not even air conditioned. It was sweltering in there.
To make matters worse the employee who showed me around acted like I was wasting her time even suggesting I didn't have enough money to join their club. Well guess what? I don't, and I won't. I'm not going to give my good money away to that place. I'm checking out 24 hour fitness, ballys, and golds gym next week. Maybe they can swing me a better deal.
i just hoped for more, it is less than 2 miles from my house, all the other gyms are over 10 miles away, making it that much harder for me to consistently work out.
To make matters worse the employee who showed me around acted like I was wasting her time even suggesting I didn't have enough money to join their club. Well guess what? I don't, and I won't. I'm not going to give my good money away to that place. I'm checking out 24 hour fitness, ballys, and golds gym next week. Maybe they can swing me a better deal.
i just hoped for more, it is less than 2 miles from my house, all the other gyms are over 10 miles away, making it that much harder for me to consistently work out.
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Starting Weight: 360lbs @ 5/1/07
--------------------------------------------
Weekly Weigh In
5.08.07 : 355.2 6.19.07 : ? 8.01.07 : ?
5.15.07 : ? 6.26.07 : ?
5.22.07 : ? 7.03.07 : ?
5.29.07 : ? 7.10.07 : ?
6.05.07 : ? 7.17.07 : ?
6.12.07 : ? 7.24.07 : ?
Total Weight Lost: 4.8 pounds
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2293701
04-28-2007, 02:49 PM
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Best to you on your quest for a gym.
I have never seen a Y gym worth the money they want, especially for the outrageous membership fee on top of the monthly dues...although others have.
I have never seen a Y gym worth the money they want, especially for the outrageous membership fee on top of the monthly dues...although others have.
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04-28-2007, 03:36 PM
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Great article!!
The only thing I would change is the canned vegetables, because the canning process adds a lot of sodium and reduces the nutritional values of the veggies. Reduced sodium is better, frozen/fresh is best.
And I love bodyweight exercises, pushups and tricep dips/pushups are a major part of my routine.
The only thing I would change is the canned vegetables, because the canning process adds a lot of sodium and reduces the nutritional values of the veggies. Reduced sodium is better, frozen/fresh is best.
And I love bodyweight exercises, pushups and tricep dips/pushups are a major part of my routine.
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04-29-2007, 05:22 AM
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Yeah, I make mention of the high sodium, but like I said, there are now salt free canned vegetables for the same cost as the ones with salt, oh and canned vegetables are just so cheap, plus they don't go bad on you like the fresh ones.
I was out walking a lot yesterday. i walked around 6 and a half hours. Anyway I noticed that for some reason people throw their pennies away, and that without even trying I found a good 25 cents in change on the ground while walking. There was one guy who was out collecting loose cans, i truly admire that guy.
I was out walking a lot yesterday. i walked around 6 and a half hours. Anyway I noticed that for some reason people throw their pennies away, and that without even trying I found a good 25 cents in change on the ground while walking. There was one guy who was out collecting loose cans, i truly admire that guy.
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Starting Weight: 360lbs @ 5/1/07
--------------------------------------------
Weekly Weigh In
5.08.07 : 355.2 6.19.07 : ? 8.01.07 : ?
5.15.07 : ? 6.26.07 : ?
5.22.07 : ? 7.03.07 : ?
5.29.07 : ? 7.10.07 : ?
6.05.07 : ? 7.17.07 : ?
6.12.07 : ? 7.24.07 : ?
Total Weight Lost: 4.8 pounds
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2293701
04-29-2007, 05:36 AM
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Just my 2 cents on the fresh/frozen/canned debate.
Fresh are best, but they spoil the easiest, and knowing how cheap Tony is....this would make him
Canned may be cheap, but IMO they lose a lot of flavor in the canning process and are too watery for my tastes.
Frozen seems to be the best of both worlds. You can buy a BIG bag of frozen broccoli (for example) for pretty cheap and it won't spoil and still cooks very nice. Great flavor and stays crisp instead of watery or soggy. (but then you have to pay the electricity to run the freezer, sorry Tony )
Good work on putting together the list, Tony. Repped for the effort!
Fresh are best, but they spoil the easiest, and knowing how cheap Tony is....this would make him
Canned may be cheap, but IMO they lose a lot of flavor in the canning process and are too watery for my tastes.
Frozen seems to be the best of both worlds. You can buy a BIG bag of frozen broccoli (for example) for pretty cheap and it won't spoil and still cooks very nice. Great flavor and stays crisp instead of watery or soggy. (but then you have to pay the electricity to run the freezer, sorry Tony )
Good work on putting together the list, Tony. Repped for the effort!
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Bodyweight exercises are great if u r going to tie plates/dumbells to ur body,but only increasing the reps is not enough.
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04-29-2007, 08:24 AM
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Bodyweight exercises aren't bodyweight exercises if you add plates/dumbells lol. And I do tricep dips/pushups to exhaustion and that's only 4 sets of 8-10 of each. It's all in how you do them, you don't need weight, esp. for the upper body.
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04-29-2007, 08:41 AM
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Body weight exercises don't do anything according to you, so its funny so many people I know who went to bootcamp with the military came back in such good shape doing pushups, etc.
As for nobody here having anything below a P4 look at my attachment.
It is a 433 mhz emachine circa 1998-1999. It is running linux (a free alternative operating system to MS Windows)
As for nobody here having anything below a P4 look at my attachment.
It is a 433 mhz emachine circa 1998-1999. It is running linux (a free alternative operating system to MS Windows)
im messing around with windows vista at the moment (im hacking it LAWL! genuine windows my ass :P) but i got spare machines floating around with Linux on em, its good cause Linux has S.F.A sys requirements so a P.O.S computer can do quite a bit, especially if you go Cmd line (teh FTP file server)
my main machine is a Athlon 64 3000+ OCed by 400Mhz that makes it more like a 3600+
and yea man military boot camps get you into shape. its cause they ride your ass constantly. and if your erm... "Large" like we are then they ride extra hard
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04-29-2007, 09:43 AM
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Tell that to all those gymasts whos exercise routines are all bodyweight exercises. You will rarely see a gymnast lifting weights.
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Tell that to all those gymasts whos exercise routines are all bodyweight exercises. You will rarely see a gymnast lifting weights.
Anyway what is ur point?u'll get a big chest by doing 100 pushups?then it get bigger by doing 150?
Training for size is lifting heavy from 6-12 reps
go ask the guys in the exercise section.
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04-29-2007, 10:04 AM
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tis simple.
lift big in small amounts = gain muscle
lift small in big amounts = tone muscle
would also like to point out that if your obese then bodyweight = lifting big
lift big in small amounts = gain muscle
lift small in big amounts = tone muscle
would also like to point out that if your obese then bodyweight = lifting big
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oh noes tasty foodz that i have budgeted for, exercised for and that i deserve
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How do u know that?do u have a link to that?
Anyway what is ur point?u'll get a big chest by doing 100 pushups?then it get bigger by doing 150?
Training for size is lifting heavy from 6-12 reps
go ask the guys in the exercise section.
Anyway what is ur point?u'll get a big chest by doing 100 pushups?then it get bigger by doing 150?
Training for size is lifting heavy from 6-12 reps
go ask the guys in the exercise section.
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/229/ (Related)
My point is that Kansan is correct in that you don't need a gym or weights to get fit. And that your comment about the ONLY way to build muscle or maintain it is with weights is INCORRECT.
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Ok. Here is one.
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/229/ (Related)
My point is that Kansan is correct in that you don't need a gym or weights to get fit. And that your comment about the ONLY way to build muscle or maintain it is with weights is INCORRECT.
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/229/ (Related)
My point is that Kansan is correct in that you don't need a gym or weights to get fit. And that your comment about the ONLY way to build muscle or maintain it is with weights is INCORRECT.
The link is for the training routines of gymnasts,bodyweight exercises only,but weighted Bodyweight exercises ,that makes sense how they get these big muscles.
Where did I say Only with weights u can build muscles?
when I said nothing beats free weight I meant that free weights are the best,and I said if u do bodyweight exercises without progressive overloading ur gains will stop,and I am right in this point.
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http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....04-080-feature (Related) written also by Christopher Sommer (same as ur link)
The link is for the training routines of gymnasts,bodyweight exercises only,but weighted Bodyweight exercises ,that makes sense how they get these big muscles.
Where did I say Only with weights u can build muscles?
when I said nothing beats free weight I meant that free weights are the best,and I said if u do bodyweight exercises without progressive overloading ur gains will stop,and I am right in this point.
The link is for the training routines of gymnasts,bodyweight exercises only,but weighted Bodyweight exercises ,that makes sense how they get these big muscles.
Where did I say Only with weights u can build muscles?
when I said nothing beats free weight I meant that free weights are the best,and I said if u do bodyweight exercises without progressive overloading ur gains will stop,and I am right in this point.
I stand corrected. You didn't say ONLY you said don't.
"Body weight exercises dont help u gain muscles or maintaining it..."
...and I've read the article you posted before. Its a great article.
However the key point in his article is this. (oh and Ive read his book too)
T-Nation: Okay, every time the Olympics roll around, bodybuilders and fitness buffs go monkeynuts over the physiques of the male gymnasts. What's the biggest thing about their training that would surprise most gymrats?
Sommer: That their training is comprised almost entirely out of bodyweight exercises.
T-Nation: Wait a sec, these guys with the killer biceps don't do barbell and dumbbell curls?
Sommer: No, not a single one! In fact, their amazing biceps development isn't the result of any kind of curling movement at all, but primarily due to the straight arm leverage work which they do on the still rings.
The straight-arm work is enormously difficult and puts tremendous strain on the biceps resulting in incredible growth. The key to success is being able to approach these exercises in a safe progressive manner.
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And the OP wasn't talking about being a bodybuilder.
OP : "...but it doesn't mean that we can't live healthy lives."
OP : "...but it doesn't mean that we can't live healthy lives."
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Bodyweight exercises aren't bodyweight exercises if you add plates/dumbells lol. And I do tricep dips/pushups to exhaustion and that's only 4 sets of 8-10 of each. It's all in how you do them, you don't need weight, esp. for the upper body.
It depends on what your goals are really. If you want to be big and strong for your body type (there are mesomorphs who are naturally big who dont lift weights or do bodyweight excercises), then you need to lift weights period. If your goal is to look ripped then pretty much anything could be done. With the right diet if you do
if your goal is to live a healthy life then once again a plethora of things can be done. My grandmother in India is 95 years old and I know she didn't do any resistance training.
And once again if your goal is to be big and strong, Gymnasts aren't something to look up to. If you like their physique then you can look in any sport. Basketball, boxers, dancers, all have bodies like gymnasts.
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yeah i was just trying to suggest some free exercises to get started. I'm not denying that in order to get big you need proper equipment, its just that some people think that without that equipment, they can't do anything. I say that is wrong. You can always do bodyweight exercises.
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Exactly. And some body weight exercises I think are more effective than weights. Dips are harder than a tricep extension with a 15 lb dumbbell, pushups are harder than benching a 45 lb bar, etc.
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Sommers:One of my student’s, JJ Gregory, far exceeded my own modest accomplishments. On his first day of high school weight lifting, JJ pulled a nearly triple bodyweight deadlift with 400 pounds at a bodyweight of 135 and about 5’3" in height. On another day, he also did an easy weighted chin with 75 pounds , and certainly looked as though he could've done quite a bit more. We’ll never know for sure because the cheap belt I was using at the time snapped.
Sommers:We have a very fine former collegiate football player (6’5", 250) in our facility who's young, in shape, has benched 400 pounds and looks as though he power cleans the entire gym, yet he struggled with only 45 pounds on one of my parallel bar weighted push-up variations . One of my little guys weighing only 65 pounds also did 45 on this very same exercise!
Sommers:As far as exercise selection, our leg training revolves around a variety of jumping exercises and weighted single leg squat variations.
Sommers: There are of course some supplemental exercises where weight is added (i.e. weighted leg lifts). (from ur link)
They do it with weights.
The Bodyweight exercises that I said dont help u maintain or gain muscles are the weightless Kansan version,We all here are doing weight lifting on caloric dificit,we have hard times maintaining/gaining muscles,and 100 pushups certainly wont help alot.
I think u know that going over 12 reps is for endurance,not strenght or mass?
Thats in Page 8 of "Championship Bodybuilding" By Chris Aceto (Nutritionist/Trainer of Jay Cutler and Lee Haney)
and by the way,gymnasts are bad example because:
Sommer:But remember, for gymnasts, it's important to build explosiveness and strength without large gains in mass , as this would have a serious impact of our relative strength-to-weight ratio.
Sommers:We have a very fine former collegiate football player (6’5", 250) in our facility who's young, in shape, has benched 400 pounds and looks as though he power cleans the entire gym, yet he struggled with only 45 pounds on one of my parallel bar weighted push-up variations . One of my little guys weighing only 65 pounds also did 45 on this very same exercise!
Sommers:As far as exercise selection, our leg training revolves around a variety of jumping exercises and weighted single leg squat variations.
Sommers: There are of course some supplemental exercises where weight is added (i.e. weighted leg lifts). (from ur link)
They do it with weights.
The Bodyweight exercises that I said dont help u maintain or gain muscles are the weightless Kansan version,We all here are doing weight lifting on caloric dificit,we have hard times maintaining/gaining muscles,and 100 pushups certainly wont help alot.
I think u know that going over 12 reps is for endurance,not strenght or mass?
Thats in Page 8 of "Championship Bodybuilding" By Chris Aceto (Nutritionist/Trainer of Jay Cutler and Lee Haney)
and by the way,gymnasts are bad example because:
Sommer:But remember, for gymnasts, it's important to build explosiveness and strength without large gains in mass , as this would have a serious impact of our relative strength-to-weight ratio.
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And the OP wasn't talking about being a bodybuilder.
OP : "...but it doesn't mean that we can't live healthy lives."
OP : "...but it doesn't mean that we can't live healthy lives."
and by the way Kaaud? what is your point? Your original post was off the mark regarding what Kansan was saying.
I also never said that gymnasts never use weights. I said they rarely lift weights.
The quotes from the articles you pointed out was strength comparison testing between weightlifters and gymansts. Those weren't suggesting that the lifting stats were part of a normal exercise routine he employed.
op cit: "T-Nation: That's impressive. I've heard stories that these athletes can lift a surprising amount of weight in the deadlift and other lifts, even though they never train these lifts . Is that true? And if it is, how's that possible?"
Also, the weighted exercises are only a couple/few exercises in a much larger exercise regimin which is MOSTLY bodyweight exercises.
And Sommers also points out that the gymast HAS to be conscious of how he does his routine as the result is their MASS increases to the point where it is detrimental to their abilities in the sport.
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My points is bodyweight exercises without progressive overloading wont help u gain/maintain muscles
again for increase in muscle size ur rep range is from 6-12 ,not over 12
and u quoted half my post
again for increase in muscle size ur rep range is from 6-12 ,not over 12
and u quoted half my post
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My points is bodyweight exercises without progressive overloading wont help u gain/maintain muscles
again for increase in muscle size ur rep range is from 6-12 ,not over 12
and u quoted half my post
again for increase in muscle size ur rep range is from 6-12 ,not over 12
and u quoted half my post
And I quoted half your post because you used it out of context where if you look at the whole article it reinforces my position.
Never mind the fact you quoted an interview on T-Nation which is not the article I pointed to which contains more facts to support my position.
Building an Olympic Body through Bodyweight Conditioning
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Ibid: Hence the problem with bodyweight conditioning - as the resistance (weight of the body) is fixed, how to continue to increase strength? Surprisingly the answer is simple - by decreasing the amount of leverage it is possible to exert on an exercise, the resistance of an exercise becomes increasingly greater.
Ibid: With experience and creativity it is possible to learn or design exercises that, done correctly and with the proper progressions, are so lacking in leverage that even at bodyweight levels of resistance it is possible to build staggering amounts of strength.
Ibid: How strong is it possible to become with bodyweight exercises? Amazingly strong. In fact I would go so far as to say, done correctly, far stronger than someone who had trained for the same amount of time with free weights.
Ibid: In addition to his amazing strength, look again at the incredible physique that JJ built solely through various bodyweight exercises. Also look at the pictures of some of my current group of athletes. Pretty buff for boys who mostly range from 7-11 years old and have never lifted weights.
Ibid: Alright enough talk, let?s get down to work and learn these progressions so that we can begin building some muscle.
Ibid: Extreme strength, a great build, and a lot of fun -all done in minutes per day. What more could one ask for from a workout?
And I will reiterate that you are not only wrong about bodyweight conditioning, your original post has nothing to do with the OPs point about being healthy and exercise does not require a gym or weights and should not be an excuse for people.
Kansan deserves kudos for his OP.
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